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	<title>Comments on: Nintendo DS supporting WPA</title>
	<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/</link>
	<description>Former Open Source programmer with experience at companies like IBM and Apple. Now a UI Designer with an education in Cognitive Science and Human-Computer Interaction.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-112595</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-112595</guid>
		<description>STOP RAMBLING - I AM A NETWORKING PROFESSIONAL - HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE:

Have any of you seen the size of the DS? IT HAS A WIRELESS CARD THAT IS ONLY 802.11b COMPATIBLE WHICH SHOULD TELL YOU THAT 'WPA2' 'WPA1 AES' ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION. They simply could not put a better wireless card in without making it (and the price) bigger and so they decided not to. They probably could have made it support WPA1 TKIP, but this is still hackable (although not as easily as WEP) and, most importantly, WOULD HAVE CAUSED MASS CONFUSION SINCE THE DS COULD NOT CONNECT TO THOSE WPA1 NETWORKS THAT USE 'AES' - MEANING THAT 1000s OF CONSUMERS WOULD BE COMPLAINING ON TECH SUPPORT FORUMS SUCH AS THIS.

The DS is not powerful enough to support WPA - it's upsetting, but that's life - you are asking Nintendo to 1) Do the impossible 2) If you only want TKIP - upset many more of their customers.

THE ONLY SOLUTION--

Set up 1 router as the internet bridge, then use 2 other routers for devices (1 for the DSs and one for the computers). Make sure they are on different subnets so that you don't have NAT conflicts (i.e. make one router 192.168.1.1, another 192.168.2.1 and the last 192.168.3.1).

THE DS WIRELESS ROUTER --

1) WEP (TKIP 64bit)
2) LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF CLIENTS THAT CAN CONNECT &#60;-- I don't know if this is available on all consumer routers, or if you can be bothered, but is the easiest way to stop others stealing your IP address/bandwidth, just allow the amount of clients that you are using at any specific time and turn off the router when you are finished.

THE COMPUTER WIRELESS ROUTER --

WPA/WPA2 - depending on your needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STOP RAMBLING - I AM A NETWORKING PROFESSIONAL - HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE:</p>
<p>Have any of you seen the size of the DS? IT HAS A WIRELESS CARD THAT IS ONLY 802.11b COMPATIBLE WHICH SHOULD TELL YOU THAT &#8216;WPA2&#8242; &#8216;WPA1 AES&#8217; ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION. They simply could not put a better wireless card in without making it (and the price) bigger and so they decided not to. They probably could have made it support WPA1 TKIP, but this is still hackable (although not as easily as WEP) and, most importantly, WOULD HAVE CAUSED MASS CONFUSION SINCE THE DS COULD NOT CONNECT TO THOSE WPA1 NETWORKS THAT USE &#8216;AES&#8217; - MEANING THAT 1000s OF CONSUMERS WOULD BE COMPLAINING ON TECH SUPPORT FORUMS SUCH AS THIS.</p>
<p>The DS is not powerful enough to support WPA - it&#8217;s upsetting, but that&#8217;s life - you are asking Nintendo to 1) Do the impossible 2) If you only want TKIP - upset many more of their customers.</p>
<p>THE ONLY SOLUTION&#8211;</p>
<p>Set up 1 router as the internet bridge, then use 2 other routers for devices (1 for the DSs and one for the computers). Make sure they are on different subnets so that you don&#8217;t have NAT conflicts (i.e. make one router 192.168.1.1, another 192.168.2.1 and the last 192.168.3.1).</p>
<p>THE DS WIRELESS ROUTER &#8211;</p>
<p>1) WEP (TKIP 64bit)<br />
2) LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF CLIENTS THAT CAN CONNECT &lt;&#8211; I don&#8217;t know if this is available on all consumer routers, or if you can be bothered, but is the easiest way to stop others stealing your IP address/bandwidth, just allow the amount of clients that you are using at any specific time and turn off the router when you are finished.</p>
<p>THE COMPUTER WIRELESS ROUTER &#8211;</p>
<p>WPA/WPA2 - depending on your needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-111733</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-111733</guid>
		<description>I just want to briefly say that I live in a house where internet is free for me.  That being said, I do not have an option to switch security, it stays WPA.  What doesn't make sense is that even the Wii has WPA passcode enabling.  In lieu of them comming up with a software update for the DS, they force you to dish out an extra $20 to have to leave your computer on and running just to connect.  It is terrible customer service to just say "tough luck, change your settings" especially in this day and age.  I can right now connect any cellular phone to virtually any computer running any OS and sync them with little difficulty, but I cannot connect my Nintendo DS to a wireless router with a security encryption that is actually secure???  I just want to trade pokemon online, but it's not worth dishing out another $20.  Good job, Nintendo..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to briefly say that I live in a house where internet is free for me.  That being said, I do not have an option to switch security, it stays WPA.  What doesn&#8217;t make sense is that even the Wii has WPA passcode enabling.  In lieu of them comming up with a software update for the DS, they force you to dish out an extra $20 to have to leave your computer on and running just to connect.  It is terrible customer service to just say &#8220;tough luck, change your settings&#8221; especially in this day and age.  I can right now connect any cellular phone to virtually any computer running any OS and sync them with little difficulty, but I cannot connect my Nintendo DS to a wireless router with a security encryption that is actually secure???  I just want to trade pokemon online, but it&#8217;s not worth dishing out another $20.  Good job, Nintendo..</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-109428</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-109428</guid>
		<description>My son is sorely dissapointed that he's not able to access our wireless network just because Nintendo is not willing to support WPA. If they're willing to pay for my lost bandwidth, ID fraud recovery, legal fees or any other problems that could arise from someone hacking my network connection, then I'll lower my security to WEP. Otherwise, forget it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son is sorely dissapointed that he&#8217;s not able to access our wireless network just because Nintendo is not willing to support WPA. If they&#8217;re willing to pay for my lost bandwidth, ID fraud recovery, legal fees or any other problems that could arise from someone hacking my network connection, then I&#8217;ll lower my security to WEP. Otherwise, forget it!</p>
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		<title>By: julian</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-109254</link>
		<dc:creator>julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-109254</guid>
		<description>How does the WiFi adapter "solve anyones [sic] security concerns"? It's likely just opening up a WEP-protected network, which has all the problems of WEP-protected networks that have been discussed.

Most sensitive data that computers transmit these days should be protected with some form of end-to-end transmission (such as SSL). You have to be worried about data going over any network that anyone else owns if it's not encrypted with end-to-end. Most passwords in sane network protocols are at least MD5-hashed if not done entirely with SSL.

However, it is certainly true that it would be easier to get at any non-encrypted information. That's the problem with it being easy for others to get onto one's private network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the WiFi adapter &#8220;solve anyones [sic] security concerns&#8221;? It&#8217;s likely just opening up a WEP-protected network, which has all the problems of WEP-protected networks that have been discussed.</p>
<p>Most sensitive data that computers transmit these days should be protected with some form of end-to-end transmission (such as SSL). You have to be worried about data going over any network that anyone else owns if it&#8217;s not encrypted with end-to-end. Most passwords in sane network protocols are at least MD5-hashed if not done entirely with SSL.</p>
<p>However, it is certainly true that it would be easier to get at any non-encrypted information. That&#8217;s the problem with it being easy for others to get onto one&#8217;s private network.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-109241</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 15:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-109241</guid>
		<description>First off, Nintendo's Wifi adapter is only 19.99, which would solve anyones security concerns.  On that note, it is bad customer service to force customers to purchase additional hardware to resolve potential security issues.  Was adding WPA really that difficult?  From my own experiences, I don't know of another current wireless device that doesn't support WPA. 

Here is what most of you are missing: no encryption or WEP encryption is not only about bandwidth or getting onto your computers.  The issue is the data that your devices are transmitting.  For the data that the DS transmits, its not a big deal.  But the data from the computers?  There is any number of things that could be captured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Nintendo&#8217;s Wifi adapter is only 19.99, which would solve anyones security concerns.  On that note, it is bad customer service to force customers to purchase additional hardware to resolve potential security issues.  Was adding WPA really that difficult?  From my own experiences, I don&#8217;t know of another current wireless device that doesn&#8217;t support WPA. </p>
<p>Here is what most of you are missing: no encryption or WEP encryption is not only about bandwidth or getting onto your computers.  The issue is the data that your devices are transmitting.  For the data that the DS transmits, its not a big deal.  But the data from the computers?  There is any number of things that could be captured.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad of a DSer</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-104958</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad of a DSer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-104958</guid>
		<description>My daughter discovered the online capability in her DS, and wanted to go online. I wasn't thrilled about backing security on my router from WPA to WEP -- especially having white hat hacker friends who could penetrate my WEP network in a couple of minutes (even with non-broadcasting SSID and MAC address filtering). So, here's what I did: I isolated my LAN from the DS with a separate subnet.

Internet connection comes in, goes to a switch. Two wireless routers are connected to the switch; both are on different subnets that don't speak to one another. The DS is on it's own subnet. Now, that does mean that someone could hack into the WEP router, and access my broadband connection, but I don't make it the lowest handing fruit (I've disabled SSID broadcast, filter MAC addresses, and reduced the broadcast power setting by about half). I think it's likely someone who wants to break in will go jiggle someone else's doorknob first.

BUT, just to be on the safe side, I also have the WEP wireless net shut off at the router, and require that my daughter log in to HER router, and turn the wireless side on and off when she wants to use the DS online.

What a pain in the butt, Nintendo. Do the right thing, and provide a DS firmware upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter discovered the online capability in her DS, and wanted to go online. I wasn&#8217;t thrilled about backing security on my router from WPA to WEP &#8212; especially having white hat hacker friends who could penetrate my WEP network in a couple of minutes (even with non-broadcasting SSID and MAC address filtering). So, here&#8217;s what I did: I isolated my LAN from the DS with a separate subnet.</p>
<p>Internet connection comes in, goes to a switch. Two wireless routers are connected to the switch; both are on different subnets that don&#8217;t speak to one another. The DS is on it&#8217;s own subnet. Now, that does mean that someone could hack into the WEP router, and access my broadband connection, but I don&#8217;t make it the lowest handing fruit (I&#8217;ve disabled SSID broadcast, filter MAC addresses, and reduced the broadcast power setting by about half). I think it&#8217;s likely someone who wants to break in will go jiggle someone else&#8217;s doorknob first.</p>
<p>BUT, just to be on the safe side, I also have the WEP wireless net shut off at the router, and require that my daughter log in to HER router, and turn the wireless side on and off when she wants to use the DS online.</p>
<p>What a pain in the butt, Nintendo. Do the right thing, and provide a DS firmware upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lone Gunperson</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-103751</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lone Gunperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-103751</guid>
		<description>WEP can be cracked via brute force key spamming in about 2 to 5 minutes. WiFi antenna boosters can intercept networks up to a 30 mile radius, line of site (more or less). Forcing the key while trying to guess an authorized MAC address with a T-MAC spoofer could take awhile longer but the task is still easily automated, they're just forcing you to buy a Nintendo USB WiFi Connector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WEP can be cracked via brute force key spamming in about 2 to 5 minutes. WiFi antenna boosters can intercept networks up to a 30 mile radius, line of site (more or less). Forcing the key while trying to guess an authorized MAC address with a T-MAC spoofer could take awhile longer but the task is still easily automated, they&#8217;re just forcing you to buy a Nintendo USB WiFi Connector.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-102860</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-102860</guid>
		<description>my god... WHAT A LAME ASS ANSWER! many of us may have either a MAC or the wifi connector (raises hand) works/worked very curddy on their computers- there is a reason why they discountued it

I want good suuport for my DS god damnit! I would sure like to go online again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my god&#8230; WHAT A LAME ASS ANSWER! many of us may have either a MAC or the wifi connector (raises hand) works/worked very curddy on their computers- there is a reason why they discountued it</p>
<p>I want good suuport for my DS god damnit! I would sure like to go online again!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-97932</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-97932</guid>
		<description>Can any please answer me &#38; advise if DS LITE has an AV out option &#38; if so cable can be sorced where please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can any please answer me &amp; advise if DS LITE has an AV out option &amp; if so cable can be sorced where please?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-96919</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://missig.org/julian/blog/2005/11/16/nintendo-ds-supporting-wpa/#comment-96919</guid>
		<description>Haha, hightech industry on a level of prehistoric WiFi-Security...

I had my WiFi Access Point with WPA loooooong before NDS came out. So what's your excuse you geniuses ?
That sounds to me like powering a rocket with a hamster in a wheel...

And besides: I would be nonsense if noone could use my internet connection, if i turned off my PC.
So my girlfriend won't be able to go online with her notebook...

Honestly, do such technical idiots work at Nintendo's ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, hightech industry on a level of prehistoric WiFi-Security&#8230;</p>
<p>I had my WiFi Access Point with WPA loooooong before NDS came out. So what&#8217;s your excuse you geniuses ?<br />
That sounds to me like powering a rocket with a hamster in a wheel&#8230;</p>
<p>And besides: I would be nonsense if noone could use my internet connection, if i turned off my PC.<br />
So my girlfriend won&#8217;t be able to go online with her notebook&#8230;</p>
<p>Honestly, do such technical idiots work at Nintendo&#8217;s ?</p>
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